Leather & Fur for Fashion?

Charles, you say you have looked in the eyes of a cow and didn't think anyone inside.

I guess you have never seen a cow and its calf being born, you might change your mind. Could it be that the blank stares from a cow
and its lack of expression in the face could throw you off ? Try watching a cow grow up for years and you will just see a cow is indifferent to us and seems to live in slow stupor (enlightenment ?) A cow seems like the highest being for a reason, it is just so realaxed without that passion and ego you might see in your picks for most human like creatures. I think cows know something we don't, like perhaps they remember the last lifes they had and are just relaxing before they get thrown back into god forbit a scatter brained human.

I think that is one thing that bothers me, is when people start making lists of higher animals, like humans are the judge of that. Like some how there is the automatic instinct driven lump of flesh, like you couldn't say the same for humans think of war, sex, dancing..

It would seem to me that we can't understand each other 100%, one being to another, we will only look into eyes that remind us of our own.

As far as the leather industry goes, of course it is a brutal and wasteful and distructive as the meat or auto industry, the drug industry.. any industry. Perhaps it is industry that is the problem that ruins the good things. Industry is what it would take to make an alternative, so I would be scared that even the best option might become corrupted like the leather industry and just add a new problem.

Leather on its own is the perfect material for all human needs. It was the greatest thing for clothes to say warm to survive It is safe to say, like the meat from animals, we would never have evolved without that. Before chemicals leather was finished with oils and greese from animal fat. It was never left a trace after it was discarded, it was just eaten by other beings. Now that humans have came so far we might be able figure out a way to make something as good as leather by use of technoligy, but this is new. I don't think it is fair to judge the human race about this all at once, especally because we do eat the meat most times, and there is not much better materials to use for some things. Leather is after all skin.

We take leather for granted = it can last lifetimes, it can be used for almost everything we need from water storage, shoes. . . blah blah pretty much everything. Still there is hardly anything that can last as long for boots then leather.

I do respect you decision to not use leather products to get back at the industrial side of it., and to help petal humans into less violent creatures. I can understand the mind set of murdering animals and how that would look to highly evolved alien race that is a few planets ahead of us, but then again my faviorate animal is a wolf, and next it is the big cats, and then grizzley bears... They are all violent creatures too, I don't think humans are above these animals in any moral ways, I think all that seperates is not what makes us greater, as after all the main reason for life, Love and survival, they seem to have came just as far as us. Good luck getting a eagle to do anything less then gliding into the wind, to it anything else would be worthless and low (think of a human walking). Why would it when it doesn't need clothes, a soild roof over its head, transportion (an eagle can fly very far, very fast)

Whatever I forget what I was trying to say... Oh I don't think it is fair to judge humanity so harshly when they use animal products, because you have found a way to live without them. I don't think you were saying that anyways. I think we should concentrate on how animals are treated in raising or in the wild, that is where morals should be used. People are never going to stop using other living things, and they will never stop using living things. But we should never be so cruel to something as to deny it a happy life in the meantime, and some thanks to it for us.

I am not sure sometimes how we even think we can judge humanity for anything, after all we are 100% organic, natural and didn't even invent it, it was just there is some mysterious way.